THE FREEWILL CHICK S WORRIED ABOUT THE JUDGMENT OF GOD.

STACY SAID:
Who will stand before the judgment seat of Christ?

MY REPLY:
STACY— CAN’T “JUDGMENT” BE A WELCOMED THING? “JUDGE THE WIDOWS AND THE FATHERLESS” SAYS ONE VERSE. CAN’T IT BE SOMETHING WE’RE GRATEFUL FOR? Yours, One cup.

STACY SAID:
I asked you if every person will be judged at the judgment seat of Christ? Yes or no. Thanks! 🙂

MY REPLY:
I don’t know. But I do know He became sin on our behalf. He died for us. He died for our sin. But I’m a little foggy on this “judgment seat” you mentioned.

STACY SAID:
There are two judgments. The judgment seat of Christ/dias (and) The great white throne. I ask if ALL will be appear at the judgment mentioned in 2 Corinthians 5:10

MY REPLY:
Kiss… I looked at the verse just moments ago. Who are “the all” that must appear??? Is it all humanity, or all the believers??

If it is all humanity, fine… if it is all believers, fine… but you asked the question as if this verse… this event… nullifies the work of God in the cross of Christ. Say it isn’t so.

STACY SAID:
Doesn’t all always mean all? Or does all mean all only when it supports your religious practices?

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MY REPLY:
“All” is generally defined by the context of the sentence, not by who the sentence is written to. For example, it says “all die” written TO the Corinthians… so just because Paul wrote it TO those in Corinth… does not mean ONLY Corinthians die. See, it’s the ALL of the context. “All die” doesn’t mean those who are “snatched away” will die.

PLEASE NOTE: When Paul uses the word “ALL” regarding justification, reconcilation, etc… he goes to great lengths to make sure we know all means all…. “For even as in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (I Cor 15:20-28)
“For as one sin results in condemnation for all, so one righteous act results in justification for all” (Romans 5:18)
All created in Christ, all reconcile through the blood of the cross.” (Col 1:16-20)
So, you’re right little one, “all” does not necessarily mean “all”… it’s the “all” of the context.
But… just because the writer wrote TO a given people, it does not limit “the all” to be just those people.

Now regarding this “judgment seat of Christ“… It may be all humanity or it may mean all the believers will appear there… but I see no reason to think this event nullifies God’s love for His creation and no reason to think it nullifies God’s work in the cross of Christ.
And why would the word “judgment” mean something horrible is about to happen like endless hell, or some such?
Shouldn’t we trust the judgments of God?
After all, He is the creator of all, and He is working all things after the council of His will. (Eph 1:11)
And… get this… All is out of Him, through Him, and for Him. (Romans 11:36)

YOU “MUST” BELIEVE FOR IT IS TRUE… NOT TO MAKE IT TRUE… BUT BECAUSE IT IS TRUE.

I TIM 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that… Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

PLEASE NOTE: If I believe Christ came into the world to save sinners, will I go to hell?
I know it’s an odd question… but some “respectable” Christians out there, want me to believe that Christ came into the world to make salvation possible. — But that is not what I believe… I believe He came into the world to save sinners.
He did not come into the world to lose sinners.
He did not come into the world to gamble on salvation.
He did not come into the world to make an “offer” to save… no… he came to save.
He did not come to give sinners a “chance”… no, he came to save sinners.
Who did he come to save? Sinners.
His work: to save.Our work: to be sinners.
It’s the perfect combination.
We sin, he saves.
What a miracle.

QUESTION: Aren’t we suppose to believe what God’s word says?
It says He came to save sinners.
Should we limit this statement in any way?
Or should we believe it as it stands.
If you LIMIT it… you’ll tend to say, Christ will save “IF” these or those conditions are met.
But that is not what it says. It says Christ came to save sinners.
Not “some” sinners…. but sinners.
Not sinners who qualify… but sinners.
I have been told by many “freewill” “Christians” that I’m going to hell for believing that Christ came into the world to save sinners.
Why?Because they are sure that Christ work on the cross does not save.
They insist that “you must believe” — their premise of “must” is wrong, it seems to me.
They say you “must” believe in order to make it true.
However, I say you “must” believe for it already is true.
—–The “freewillers” use an analogy of a gift-wrapped present which one must open and “accept” to be enjoyed.
A closer, more Biblical analogy is one my wife told me of…A Bridge operator, whose little son was playing on the bridge.
When suddenly a cruise (party) ship appeared. The bridge operator had to decide between opening the bridge and killing his son… or not and destroying the ship and those aboard.
He opened the bridge. His son died. The Ship passed under. They were saved.
Those partying continued to party. Someone gave their life that they might live.
Did they know? Had they heard? Did they believe?
No, no, no. Yet their salvation from death and disaster was assured, guaranteed.
Now, we tell those people, someone died that they might live.

Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.
And you “must” believe FOR it is true. Not to make it true… but because it already is true.

I Asked The Freewill Chick: Does God Operate In Absolute Certainty?

I have 5 questions I’ve asked lots of JW’s, Mormons, or any Baptists, or Charismatics that try to convert me to their way of thinking.

Here are the questions:

1. Is God certain?
2. Does God operate in absolute certainty?
3. Is salvation the certain work of God?
4. Is salvation certain for all unsaved creatures?
5. If salvation is not certain for all unsaved creatures, then we must question whether or not salvation is the certain work of God, and thus must conclude that God does not operate in certainty and… then, we wonder if God is even certain. Get it?

I knew that it was too much to ask THE FREEWILL CHICK all five questions. So I just asked her the second question — Does God operate in absolute certainty?

She lost it. Her long-winded answers prove that she does not believe God operates in certainty. Therefore He must be operating in chance.

Here is the exchange we had:

I SAID:

Does God Operate In Absolute Certainty?

SHE REPLIED:

Certainty: that which is totally unconditioned, unrestricted, pure, perfect, or complete

Colossians 2:12

9 For IN HIM dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And YE are COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 IN WHOM also YE are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also YE are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And YOU, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven YOU all trespasses;

Who are YOU? You are one that has BELIEVED with certainty the gospel of salvation by the COUNSEL given you of God’s will and by believing on Christ Jesus you have obeyed the will of God and been given the ministry to minister God’s will to all men everywhere that they too may believe.

John 20

30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life THROUGH his name. Certainty: “By certainty is understood a clear and distinct statement of the facts which constitute the cause of action, or ground of defence, so that they may be understood by the party who is to answer them”

Acts 17

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; BUT NOW commandeth all men every where to repent:

31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath GIVEN ASSURANCE UNTO ALL MEN, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

32 And when they HEARD of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, WE WILL HEAR thee again of this matter.

Wise:

responding sensibly or shrewdly to a particular situation.

Proverbs

The WISE in heart shall be called PRUDENT: and the sweetness of the lips increaseth learning.

Prudent:

acting with or showing care and thought for the future.

Fools perish which is the reason that our Apostle Paul wept for Israel because he knew that they have become fools according to the traditions that they have been fed and now HOLD TO in light of THE TRUTH…the refuse to PURGE their traditions and ACCEPT THE TRUTH that is given with absolute certainty by the PREACHING/feeding of the gospel…EAT it and LIVE.

AGAIN, God is not FORCE feeding us the gospel, he is using the wise COUNSEL delivered by the power of the Holy Spirit The MEANS by which God has chosen to save undeserving sinners is COUNSEL/the foolishness of preaching the gospel.

1 Corinthians 1:21

“For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”

We can either LIVE according to the wisdom of God or PERISH according to the wisdom of the world. If we CAN believe the wisdom of the world, we CAN also believe the wisdom God using the same ability that we have been given to use which is the ability to reason. We don’t have to be moral to reason even the most immoral have the ability to reason. A carefully planned out intervention is the means by which we confront those we love to give them counsel that they may TAKE our advice and CONFESS that they have an addiction and RECEIVE the help of a physician that can save them.

A wise (immoral) man will “reach forth his hand and take the fruit thereof that he may live”.

A foolish (immoral) man will reject the counsel of them that love him and refuse to eat and live, therefore, perishing by starving himself to death in light of wise counsel given him. Both are immoral with the ability to respond.

Psalms 94:8 “Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?” We all have the ability to BE WISE.

Proverbs 8:33

Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

2 Timothy 3:16 –

All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Proverbs 11:14 –

Where no counsel [is], the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors [there is] safety.

Proverbs 20:18 –

[Every] purpose is established by counsel: and with good advice make war.

Proverbs 19:20-21 –

Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end. The answer to your question is yes.

MY REPLY:

Such a blizzard of words… Are you sure you want to answer YES… Let’s try again… Does God operate in absolute certainty?

SHE SAID:

Well, words of God’s wisdom is the means by which God saves…call them what you WILL. God IS absolute certainty. God operates according to the COUNSEL of his will so that we can BECOME absolutely certain that he is certainly worthy of our trust.

My answer is still YES.

God operates IN absolute certainty because he IS absolute certainty.

God operates with man according to the COUNSEL of his will that we trust in the absolute certainty that God IS.

He BRINGS counsel of his will so that we may freely receive it.

Paul was sent to BRING the life-giving truth of the gospel so that we may freely receive it and live BY the truth that is IN us after we SWALLOW it. Jesus is the TRUTH and we get to the Father COMING BY/IN HIM.

It’s SIMPLE…God desires that we live by him so he sent his wise counsel to give all of us immoral creatures the simple instruction to COME to him IN CHRIST JESUS…TAKE shelter IN CHRIST…HIDE IN CHRIST…DECLARE the righteousness of CHRIST…TRUST in CHRIST…they all mean the same thing and preaching THIS is the means by which pleases God to save them THAT BELIEVE God’s word and COME IN CHRIST JESUS.

We are ALL perishing and he desires to save us IN CHRIST so he sent us the counsel that brings us the instruction to COME IN FREELY…just come in, don’t clean yourself up first, just come in and God will clean your filth…don’t give room for doubt, just COME IN THROUGH THE TRUTH!

The TRUTH is given so that we may freely come to God THROUGH it/him. God’s WORD is TRUTH…God’s word is worthy of all ACCEPTANCE. What is the punishment for those that COUNT his Word UNWORTHY of their acceptance and perish in THEIR unbelief?

MY REPLY:

AGAIN, A BLIZZARD OF WORDS… to confuse your answer, you say “yes” but you hem and haw… which means “no”… 800 some words with your first answer.. 300 some words with your second answer.. Let us try again… DOES GOD OPERATE IN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY? It is a revealing question, is it not? Does God operate in absolute certainty? I personally love the question. And am awaiting your answer.

SHE SAID:

WOW!

Just WOW…

Your QUESTION is NOT revealing…the GOSPEL reveals the goodness of God which leads a man to repentance.

The gospel is NOT a blizzard of words so that it can’t be confused and made of none effect.

Man destroys the power of the gospel by adding to it.

It takes a blizzard of words to CORRECT them that have accepted ANOTHER gospel and are bearing with the spirit in the teachers that brought this false gospel to them.

According to the law, you ARE an unrighteous sinner.

God’s Word was sent into the world to become sin in the flesh so that we may become his righteousness in him.

Christ Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and has risen to give us the assurance that he IS with absolute certainty the Son of God…Believest thou this?

1 Corinthians 1

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God BY THE FOOLISHNESS OF PREACHING TO SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE.

Those that COUNT the preaching of the cross foolish are them that PERISH and those that COUNT the preaching of the cross worthy of all acceptance are SAVED.

It can take TIME to persuade them who are perishing to TURN from the wisdom of the world…Satan is the god of this world and they are perishing because they have put their trust in HIS “wisdom” that he feeds them and we are sent to feed them God’s wisdom that they may BELIEVE GOD and be saved out of THIS present evil world according to the COUNSEL of His will that we BELIEVE HIM and STOP believing the wisdom of the world…we are SAVED by the TRUTH, Jesus IS the truth and only HE can set us free from the bondage that we tangled ourself up in by BELIEVING LIES.

God made us able to become tangled and he is justified in doing so because he also sent the Savior that sets us free and all we need to do is RELY on the Savior and he will set us free.

Have you ever seen an animal tangled in a net that he got himself tangled in because he was curious and got to close and then became tangled?

A rescue group is sent to release the animal from the net. Man was made greater than animals, we are made with the ability to reason.

Who is responsible for the man’s life or death when he finds himself caught in a snare that he can’t get himself out of when the rescue crew is sent? What should a man do if he is being rescued?

Should he be wise and submit to his rescuers and let them do what they need to do to save him? Now, what if he were to fight against them who were sent to rescue him, and by doing so he died?

Whose fault would his death be put on if he were to foolishly fight against his rescuers?

All we are instructed to do is submit and let God save us according to his will and if we are climbing a rope to get to God according to our works we are instructed to let go of the rope and let God’s work carry us up to him. Trust. Trust naturally becomes love for the one we FIRST trusted.

Ephesians 1

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who FIRST trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of YOUR faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; 😊

MY REPLY:

I’ll take that as a BIG – FAT – NO. No, God does not operate in absolute certainty.

— And since God does not operate in certainty, God must be operating blindly, groping along, in uncertainty. Winging it. Hoping it all works out. Hoping man co-operates. But not certain. God must be a gambler. — I get it. He’s taking chances. We’re on our own, I guess. And, as you have said in the past, we can only blame ourselves for our eternal destiny… this must explain why… because God doesn’t operate in certainty.

SHE SAID:

God will certainly save all that believe him.

That is our blessed assurance that we receive in Christ…God isn’t gambling that he might save all that believe him, he certainly will and does…Now if indeed you have received the Holy Spirit, GO and let Him preach of this blessed assurance that the world may believe and receive Christ Jesus.

How can they believe on whom they have not heard?..LET THEM HEAR, don’t keep it to yourself…it was freely given to you, and now that you have freely received it GO and freely give it away.

You were so burdened by preaching the gospel, but now you have burdened yourself preaching universalism to a BELIEVER…GO TO UNBELIEVERS!

I must leave you now.

I can’t care what you THINK about me…there isn’t time to care about what you THINK. All I care about is that the cross is preached so that it may be believed on.

MY REPLY:

Wake up cutie-pie, the question is… DOES GOD OPERATE IN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY ???

SHE SAID:

I already answered that question and you rejected my answer.

Who is working IN you that continues to call me names?

Do you think condescending name-calling is a wise way to deliver counsel, or do you think that it might be repelling and cause me to ignore you?

You THINK you are the only one that CAN think for himself/herself. You are preaching a false gospel.

You have added to the gospel and you refuse to see it.

The gospel is that Jesus died for our sins was buried and rose again. Paul said THAT gospel is the gospel that we have accepted by which we are saved…UNLESS you have believed it in vain.

1 Corinthians 15

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Paul DELIVERED and we ACCEPTED the delivery.

YOUR gospel:

Jesus died for our sins was buried and rose again and God chooses when you will believe this gospel and if you believe now that means you hit the salvation lottery, but if you don’t believe now God will cast you into the lake of fire but don’t fret because you will eventually believe and be saved out of the lake of fire, but I can’t guarantee this because there isn’t one scripture verse that I can provide that shows anyone being saved out of the lake of fire. There is NO good news in your gospel. You THINK there is, but there isn’t. God choosing when you will believe is NOT good news.

That is TERRIFYING.

What if God chose YOU to be one of them that has believed in VAIN and soon you lose this false faith that he gave you and you find yourself in the lake of fire? You CAN’T have assurance…you CAN’T. You can NOW, but you can’t be sure that you aren’t one that God has chosen to “believe in vain”. You are preaching another gospel that I have not accepted and I will not accept…and apparently it’s because your god won’t let me so you are wasting your time with me.

However, I am NOT wasting my time with you because I know that YOU are able to come to YOUR senses when YOU are ready to consider that YOU may have accepted a false gospel delivered to you by a false teacher which caused you to receive another spirit of which you are currently bearing with him…you did that all on your own because you didn’t do what Paul advises us to do after we believe the gospel and that is to PUT ON THE FULL ARMOR of God because Satan is going to send us his ministers that will come to talk us OUT of the gospel that we accepted so that we become unable to preach and teach the gospel delivered to us that we accepted unto the receiving of the Holy Spirit. Paul warns US because WE can be deceived even after receiving the Holy Spirit.

In your “gospel”, your god is the deceiver and can’t be trusted because you have put the blame on your god for our unwillingness to take his word into consideration.

I CAN”T BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE FEEDING ME BECAUSE YOUR god HAS ME LOCKED UP IN STUBBORNNESS FOR HIS PLEASURE That must be very frustrating…but that’s the god you chose to serve.

MY WRAP-UP THOUGHTS:

Does God operate in absolute certainty?

THE ANSWER must be YES. God is the creator of all. And God is the savior of all. (Colossians 1:16-20, I Timothy 4:10)

THE FREEWILL CHICK believes man has a “freewill”. But Romans 9:16 says it’s not of him that willeth.

God has ever eon perfectly planned.

In Ephesians 3:11, the phrase occurs, “in accord with the purpose of the eons, which he makes in Christ Jesus, our Lord.” 

THE FREEWILL CHISK’s devotion to the “freewill of man” does not allow her to see the sovereignty. of God.

God is operating all things after the council of His will. (Eph 1:11)

Man’s will is not “free” of causal influences.

God gives gifts to men. Including faith.

Faith is a gift. He does not give faith to all. (II THESSALONIANS 3:2).

Nonetheless, He is the Savior of all. (I TIM 4:10).

Therefore we must allow that God will cause “every knee to bow and every tongue to confesss” to the glory of God.

Phil 2:9-11 :

9 Wherefore, also, God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with the name that is above every name,
10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean,
11 and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father.

There is no such term as “too late” in the scriptures.

After all, He (Christ) died for all. And that means something.

Yours

Ace

Inference vs plain statements -the dust up between Avanti and Wildboar, (online youtube names)

INFERENCE VS PLAIN STATEMENTS
I was reading the dust-up between Avanti and Wildboar… and sipping my coffee… and thinking, and thinking… one of the things that helped me love I TIM 4:10 (God being the savior of all) — and helped me not worry about “dem dare” doom and gloom verses was this…
The GOOD NEWS verses like
God is the savior of all (I TIM 4:10.)
The justification of all (ROM5:18)
The reconciliation of all (COL 1:20)
… are PLAIN STATEMENTS.
But the DOOM AND GLOOM verses
Like the lake of fire, the sheep and goats, the rich man and Lazarus, etc…. are INFERENCES about the dire topic.

For example… the sheep and goats passage, is something about a judgment of LIVING NATIONS (Not nations out of the past)… but the NATIONS that helped or did not help Israel during the prophetic future. — Nothing about individual humans punished or rewarded, but NATIONS… you must INFER a lot from Matt 25 to get the God who is not the savior of all.

For example: The rich man and Lazarus story is not only A PARABLE — it is just one part of a 5-part PARABLE… which includes elements concerning “the lost sheep”, “the lost son”, the lost coin” etc. It helped me to NOT INFER from the parable element of the rich man/lazarus story anything that was not true.

And the lake of fire? It sounds like a dire things, but the inferences about it are wild. One “plain statement” concerning the lake of fire is that IT IS THE 2ND DEATH… It’s never called “the just desserts of eternal torment for all who disagree with me.” It’s clearly called THE SECOND DEATH… a plain statement… now all we have to do is come to a conclusion as to what is death.

On the landing page at the concordant.org there is a lovely article called WHAT IS DEATH.

I’m almost out of coffee… so I’ll give you two, lovely PLAIN STATEMENTS… that encourage me…
God is the savior — I TIM 4:10
God was in Christ — II Cor 5:19.

“THESE SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THEM” indeed (Mk 16:17-18)…

“THESE SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THEM” indeed (Mk 16:17-18)…
What a keen insight Dwayne Brother… very good.
In the 1970’s I was hanging out in the so-called “charismatic” christian movement.

And sure enough, we loved “signs” and “miracles”… all our leaders from Katherine Kulhman to Oral Roberts were hot on those “signs”… well… somewhere about 1975 or so, I dawned on me that all of the “signs” like raising the dead and making the lame to walk always happened 3 years earlier or 3,000 miles away… so you could never really verify it.

I found my way out of the “charismatic” movement shortly thereafter.
I got into Watchmen Nee, then the Gene Edwards home church movement, then I found some real Bible students over at the Concordant Publishing Concern.

It was there I learned to love the evangel of Grace.

NOTE: Even Paul readily acknowledges that signs are not for this administration of GRACE. Again, thanks for pointing that out. Grace to you. Linwood

AND NOW… A WORD FROM OUR SPONSOR… PAUL, THE PAGANS’ APOSTLE:

I CORINTHIANS 15…(Concordant Version)
20 (Yet now Christ has been roused from among the dead, the Firstfruit of those who are reposing.

21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead.

22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.

23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ’s in His presence;

24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.

25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.

26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.

27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.

28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)

PLEASE NOTE: When I first read these words… I mean really read them… I had already been a “christian” for some 14 years. But I had never read these words on purpose. Sure I skimmed them, and not knowing anything about what they meant… I just glossed over… or glazed over…
But when I REALLY READ THEM… on purpose… I had to admit, I had no idea what Paul was talking about. But I wanted to know. I wanted to understand.

But NOW… many years later, I confess, this is perhaps my favorite passage of scripture.

You can toss the whole Bible away, but if we have these 8 verses… we’ve got a picture of God eonian purpose. And we can rejoice.

Stacy Is Stubborn, Welcome To The Club.

T @{KISStheSON} 
Dear Stacy, you are stubborn. God told me.
He told me when I was reading Romans 11:32. Welcome to the club.
The vast amount of disagreements over the book of Revelation is HUGE.
Even Brother Martin Luther had doubts about that book.
I’m probably the only brother you’ve ever met who has read the book of Revelation OUT LOUD… 3 times. What a trip to read it at one sitting. It’s unlike any talk on Revelation I’ve ever heard. To read it at one sitting, it’s like a whirlwind of story-line and CGI imagery.
No Hollywood script-writer could match it, in my opinion.
I think Zender has a years worth of videos about the book of Revelation. Personally I’m not interested in it. Why?
Because I’m stuck on Paul.
I’m quite sure I don’t fully understand the evangel of Grace yet, why would I want to bother with Revelation, which I know concerns Israel?
And being that I’ve read the dang book aloud at least 3 times, I can tell you, I found nothing in it to contradict the saying that is faithful, and worthy of all welcome, that God is the savior of all mankind, especially, but not exclusively of believers. (Again, see I TIM 4:9 and 10 and 11.)
And note: verse 11 says COMMAND AND TEACH THIS!!!
So, with God’s blessing, I don’t teach “nuthin'” about no lake of fire, no great white throne, no beast and mark and sulfur, and stuff… I just teach that God is the savior of all.
I think Knoch had a good point about the whole matter… that “revelation” actually means “unveiling”… it unveils Christ.
Still, I’m not so interested in it for reasons stated above (it’s part of the circumcision evangel).
My intention — for the forseeable future — is to focus on Paul’s 13 letters to the early church, and perhaps a smattering of Acts.
I can honestly confess, that as long as I was a regular “christian” — baptist, pentacostal, charismatic type — mixing all the bible up into one pot of soup, I did not really “trust” in the living God, who is the savior of all.
I was quite sure that my salvation was unsure, and I was quite burdened with the idea that I must TELL EVERYONE TO REPENT less they “go to endless” hell.
But, now, I cannot but “trust in the living God who is the savior of all, especially of believers”.
And since God is the savior, I’ll just have to trust Him to save all that He wills to save. And guess what, He wills to save all.

I TIMOTHY 4:
VERSE 9 – Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all welcome,
VERSE 10 – For, for this we labor and suffer reproach, that we rely on the living God who is the savior of all mankind, especially of believers.
VERSE 11 – These things command and teach.

Your Name Is Probably Not In “The Book Of Life”.

 @{KISStheSON}  TODAY’S Believers will not be in the book of life, you have to be a Jew to have a chance to be in the book of life, so those who are destined for the lake of fire, are those Jews who might be qualified to rule with Christ on the Earth. The believers today, will have a lot IN THE HEAVENS, whereas the saved Jews will rule on the Earth.
John was of the circumcision. His book of Revelation is part of the circumcision gospel.
It does not concern us. Paul says our inheritance is in the heavens.
Of course you’re going to blather away about how I’m wrong… but the facts are …

1. Paul was given the evangel of the uncircumcision.
2. Peter, James and John, were given the evangel of the circumcision.
3. The book of Revelation is for and about Israel’s rule with Christ. It’s a very lively book full of imagery, metaphors, and allegories. But it is not part of the evangel of the uncircumcision.
4. Stick to Paul’s letters, he is your apostle.

The Bible Truck You May Have Missed.

Since the days of a “bible truck”… the folks at https://www.concordant.org/
have come a long way.

they have spent about 100 years working on a “concordant” translation of the Bible.

The idea is, that each word in the Greek or Hebrew text of the Old and New Testament — should be — translated using ONE ENGLISH word as near as possible.

Of course you might have to account for weird English idiom, or the idiom of the original language, but if that’s your goal, you’ll have a more honest translation of the Bible.

Turns out The Concordant version of the Bible reveals much more of what God meant and said… and is a pleasure to read and study.

You can get a Concordant Literal New Testament for just $10 bucks at their site. Or you can listen to it in audio…

Plus… you can listen to talks by Bible teachers who’ve fallen in love with God’s word and the Concordant translation of it. Look for the audio page.

“For who has withstood His will?” (From Romans 9, I think)

DEST…
YOU SAID:
“You forget mans(sic) will which most times goes against God’s will…”

MY REPLY:
“For who has withstood His will?” (From Romans 9, I think)
“God is operating all things… not just some things… but ALL THINGS after the council of His own will. (From Ephesians 1:11)
“God locks up all together in stubbornness that He might have mercy on all.” (from Romans 11:32)

Just because man goes against God’s will… I don’t see that as a problem, really. “Not for all is the faith” says Paul (Thessalonians, I think).

You see, during the eons, there are many stories of man’s failure… but we’re not really expecting to see man’s success… not at any time… we’re the creature He’s the creator.

The only real success we see, right now, during the eons… is the resurrection of Christ after the cross… and that has nothing to do with our cooperation… other than it was our sins that put Him on the cross.

The cross is the centerpiece of the story of the universe.

Death is the key story for all of us… yet God will show… resurrection will be, yes, will be, the key story, as we shall see. (I COR 15:22 -Even as in Adam, all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive.)

Man’s will is locked up in a pattern. Locked up by God himself. For now it serves God’s purpose. And Ephesians 3:11 says that God has an eonian purpose.

We’ll talk later.
Linwood
P.S. Zender has a good article (related) here:
https://www.martinzender.com/Zenderature/the_eons.htm